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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: TECHNIQUE Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:49 pm | |
| This thread is basically about any technique out there (Tapping, sweep picking, etc). If you have any questions regarding the things mentioned above, please ask.
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:06 pm | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:07 am | |
| TAPPING.
Tapping was made famous during the shredding age of the late 80's and 90's by artists like Van Halen, Iron Maiden, Metallica etc. First, lets look at HOW to tap, and then we'll look at how the patterns are created.
The technique of tapping is one that isn't too hard to get the hang of, and you'll catch on fast.
So lets start with the actual tapping part. Right now, don't worry about your fretting hand. Just your strumming hand. Guitarists usually use their middle finger to tap because then they can still hold the pick and switch back to strumming quicker. But, if your just starting it may be easier to use your first finger. Now, with your first finger hit the 12 fret (little)e string, put keep it there, don't pull it off just yet. This is pretty much like a hammer-on with your strumming hand. Keep doing this until you can hammer-on a clear note every time. Now, to do a continuous tap, like most guitarists do, you need to do a pull off with your strumming hand. Now, listen because this part is important, I couldn't get the pull off to work because I didn't do this. When you do the pull off, make sure your not just bringing your finger back, but you do more of a downward motion when you bring your finger off so that it's almost like a strum with one finger.
Now heres some basic taps to work on. Seize The Day Solo II
This is what I call an 'Octave Tap' because pretty much your just tapping the octave over and over. with that said, heres the Seize The Day tapping (near the beginning of the second solo and at the very end of the song.)
B/3 tap B/15 (Note: you tap it multiple times) B/6 tap B/18 B/5 tap B/17
B/6 tap B/18.
Now, lets take a quick look at how the tap in most songs are formed. Theres 3 main kind of taps that are used. Remember, these aren't any real names, just names that I'm going to use to keep from confusion.
1. Octave tap 2. Minor lick tap 3. Minor run tap
First is Octave tap. I already talked about that briefly. Pretty much, you just take a note and tap it above the 12 fret and below the 12 fret.
Now the Minor lick tap. This is the most commonly used version of tapping. How this works is you take the IV VII and VIII notes of the scale and roll down them. Lets look at E for example. if you did this on the little e string then the noes would be e/5, e/8 and e/12. But wait, your hand isn't big enough to do a pull off from 12 to 8 and then to 5. What do you do? Tap. If you tap the 12 and have your fret hand on the 8 then all you have to do is pull off from the 8 to the 5 and repeat.
Now the Minor Run tap. This one isn't used as often, but it's a little bit trickier. How this one works is you tap the last note of a scale, and with your other hand run down the scale. So it ends up being a pattern like VIII VII VIII VI VIII V VIII IV VIII III VIII II VIII I. So basically you tap the root and your fretting hand hits the next note in the scale every time.
If any of this is confusing or just not talked about clear enough, I'll make a video and upload it to my website and you can watch it. Or I can just update this if it's not a big confusion. | |
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Dean Greene one
Number of posts : 9198 Age : 30 Location : Somwhere in the US drinking Dr pepper Intrests : Kira, caffine... u know normal stuff teenagers like. Registration date : 2007-10-31
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:54 am | |
| a video might help. just do it real slow so I can see tho | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
Number of posts : 9923 Age : 29 Location : in ur frigdz eatin ur mexican foodz Intrests : Punking Registration date : 2007-11-01
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:32 pm | |
| Alright. After Tuesday I'll start working on other techniques and make the video and everything cause I'll be done with Challenge. | |
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Dean Greene one
Number of posts : 9198 Age : 30 Location : Somwhere in the US drinking Dr pepper Intrests : Kira, caffine... u know normal stuff teenagers like. Registration date : 2007-10-31
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:09 pm | |
| sweet. I been working on chords that are higher up on the neck to complement the rythm guitarist | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:22 am | |
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:17 pm | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:46 pm | |
| High as in past the 12 fret? | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:15 pm | |
| OK dude, videos aren't happening. It's to much trouble on my tiny little camera. Just tell me what you don't understand and I'll try to further explain it. | |
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Dean Greene one
Number of posts : 9198 Age : 30 Location : Somwhere in the US drinking Dr pepper Intrests : Kira, caffine... u know normal stuff teenagers like. Registration date : 2007-10-31
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:53 pm | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:14 pm | |
| I may be able to get a video up from things like Pinch harmonics, otherwise known as squealies. | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:16 pm | |
| I feel the need now to talk about improvising. Theres not much I can do to help you improvise. As long as you understand what is in a certain key then there is nothing more I can do to help you. But I can give you some pointers that have helped me. So here we go.
First, find your guitar influence. This may seem odd, but this isn't really a "You are what you eat" type deal. What I mean by that is, don't think just because you listen to a bunch of Metal means that your a Metal guitarist. Lets take me for an example. The past 2 years I listened to bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Metallica, Pantera and guitarists like them that are esteemed as the "Shredders." I know what Scales they use, when they use these scales and how they use them. But, when I improvise I NEVER end up sounding anything close to them. My musical mind is wired so that I play Blues influenced solos. I was a little disappointed at first, and tried to discourage it and force my self to play Metal solos. And while now, I can compose metal solos, I still improvise with Blues solos. What I've done now, is I've nurtured the Blues in me by feeding bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Sublime, Men At Work and the likes of them. All of their solos are very Blues sounding. Of course, I was still worried that I would never be able to be a Metal guitarists, which I still have a long way to go to become, but I have discovered something. If you play with something long enough, you can fit it into anything. Of course, I use mainly Pentatonic with Lydian or Phrygian licks, and now I'm slowly starting to fit those scales into Metal songs or songs I've written and make it sound like it isn't Blues. So, remember, no matter what you THINK you are influenced by, you could be a Blue Grass guitar player. But don't let that discourage you. Just take that and put it into Metal...you might be surprised. | |
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:09 am | |
| dude blues is just plain easyer | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:02 pm | |
| not quite. Blues can be just as hard, if not harder then Metal solos. Metal is just being able to play fast Mode Licks. Blues is being able to read the feeling of the music, determine the best way to solo, and then be able to solo. For instance, just about any Metal song can be played over with a fast Dorian Mode lick. But, at the same time, you can do a quick run through minor Pentatonic (otherwise known as the Blues scale) and sound just as good, and maybe even more original. You'd be surprised how many guitarists are Blues influenced. Lets compare some guitarists, shall we?
Lets talk about Kirk Hammet. Playing for Metallica, he is often considered one of the best Metal guitarists...ever. However, most of his solos are Dorian Mode licks (play the last 5 notes over and over, sometimes rearranging the order.) Although this does sound great, it can get a little repetitive and some solos start to meld together and over time, it just becomes another shredding solo.
Now, one of the most beloved and mourned guitarists ever is Dime Bag Darrel, of Pantera. His most famous solo, in the song "Walk" is composed ALL of Pentatonic Minor licks, yet still sounds Metal. Another guitarists you might know, is Synyster Gates. Ever noticed that his solos sound different then most Metal? Because he is VERY Blues influenced and studied Jazz in college.
These are just some examples of guitarists that use Blues influence for Metal, and are also some of the greatest and most original.
Oh yes, and Slash from Guns N Roses is all blues. | |
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Dean Greene one
Number of posts : 9198 Age : 30 Location : Somwhere in the US drinking Dr pepper Intrests : Kira, caffine... u know normal stuff teenagers like. Registration date : 2007-10-31
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:45 pm | |
| well I don't know what it is but blues seems much easyer to me. I guess because it flows with the song so u can play better by ear | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:03 pm | |
| OK, now that we've talked about influences, lets talk about Key. Key is what decides if you what you should play and when you should play. But before we can start soloing, we have to know how to figure out what key a song is in. So lets look at a Chord progression. C F C G7 C F G7. The first way to do this is to look at the first and last chords. In this case the first one is C and the last is G7. If they were the same, it would obviously be in C. But, we have a G7 instead of C. So then we take the first chord and go through, either in our mind or on the fretboard, the tones of a C scale. Is there an F in the scale? Yes? If so, where? 4th interval. This means that it would be totally legal to have a F maj in a song in the key of C. The other Chord is a G7 so lets look again. Is there a G? Yes? Where? 5th interval. This is the Dominant interval and that means it's either Maj or Maj7th. So again, this is legal in a song in the key of C. Lets look at one other Chord progression. This a Chord progression I use in my song. So here it is. (all power chords) D A F# G A I will put the answer in the spoiler below. I would like if you tried to figure it out on your own first, thought. - Spoiler:
Again lets look at first and last chords. In this case, they don't match. So then we start with the first chord: D. So then we see if the other Chords will fit into the D scale. So ask the questions again. Is there an A in the D scale? Yes? What interval? 5th or Dominant, which is used as a Maj or in this case a 5th (Which is the normal power chord and is usually just represented as A). So this chord fits in the Suggested Key, which is D. Move on to the next Chord which is F# and we go through the same process, and find that it does fit and is the 2nd interval. So this is Supertonic and is played as a Minor, or sometimes Major. In this case, a Major sounds better, but a Minor is not completely out of the question. But it's more of an upbeat punk song and the Minor, I thought, didn't fit well with it. Then we take the last which is G and go through the questions again. This is the 4th interval, or subdominant and is played as a Major. So if all these fit then you know that the Key is D. Note. If we found out that one of these didn't fit into the key of D, then we would just move onto the next Chord. A song has to have the Key in it somewhere, so you can just go through the Chords.
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Dean Greene one
Number of posts : 9198 Age : 30 Location : Somwhere in the US drinking Dr pepper Intrests : Kira, caffine... u know normal stuff teenagers like. Registration date : 2007-10-31
| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:06 pm | |
| sweet. most of the time its easy to figure out the notes but thats normally what the bass plays just the low notes. how do u make is different? | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:47 pm | |
| Uh... I don't understand the question. | |
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:14 pm | |
| so if a song went G C E D the bass would play the G C E and D in the gmaj scale. what would the lead guitarist play? | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:29 pm | |
| Thats entirely up to the Guitarist. Don't worry, I'm working on a way to explain the way it all works. | |
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:53 pm | |
| Im starting to understand it more as I play with me looper | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:17 pm | |
| Yay loopers! I think the GT-8 can be used as a looper. | |
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Dean Greene one
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:12 pm | |
| cool Ive been overdubbing to do harmonies and it sounds good | |
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BAM Guitarhero Admin!
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| Subject: Re: TECHNIQUE Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:59 pm | |
| I can't make harmonies for some reason. | |
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